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nothing compared with shawn michels

i think u had to ask dis question 12 years ago

"I don't think it would even be compared to the matches Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker had. I don't even know if Goldberg still has it in him to step in the ring and compete let alone face The Undertaker in the Superbowl of wrestling. I was expecting a lot from Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg at Wrestlemania 20 and I was sadly disappointed, that match wasn't close to where it was hyped to be, especially with Stone Cold as the referee. If Goldberg can't do it then, he definitely can't do it now."
First of all, if you're going to compare it to Michaels/Taker, you're preparing yourself for a let down because the two bouts would be completely different, and in order to appreciate either you'd have to accept the fact that Goldberg is not Shawn Michaels. Few wrestlers are. As a matter of fact, I can only think of one.

Secondly, I'm really sick of Goldberg detractors using WM20 as a crutch. It wasn't a good match, I agree, but the reasons for it being bad had NOTHING to do with wrestling and EVERYTHING to do with ego. To put it bluntly, Goldberg and Lesnar had a bad match because they wanted to stick it to every single crowd in that arena booing them for leaving.

"Mind you, whenever The Undertaker faced someone with zero talent in wrestling, not to mention 6 years of not wrestling, The Undertaker tend to experience the worst. His match with Giant Gonzales is widely considered as his worst match ever. His match with King Kong Bundy flopped in every way possible. His match with Big Boss Man remains his only Wrestlemania match to receive 'boring' chants from the fans and is largely reckoned as the worst Hell In A Cell match in existence. A-Train destroyed every quality he and Big Show could have provided with his undeniable slow paced work. And the last but definitely the least, we saw how his match with Mark Henry became not only the worst casket match ever held, but also one of the worst matches in the history of Wrestlemania."

Comparing Goldberg to Gonzalez or Bundy is an insult. Both men were too immoble to do anything due to size or weight constraints, and the same can be said about Big Show at the time and Mark Henry at any given point in his career. Goldberg's lean, has speed incomparable to anyone on that list, and the stamina to keep it up. I'll agree that Bossman and A-Train were much better wrestlers that had bad outings with the Dead Man, but there was a time in Taker's career when an Undertaker match was bad because of the Undertaker, and I'd argue that Bossman's bouts against him was on the cusp of that time. A-Train and Big Show may have no excuse, but I'm giving Bossman a by.

"IMO, The Undertaker can't (and won't) carry Goldberg to a legendary match if they do have a match next year.

And yes, I'm saying Diesel, Sid, and Batista have more wrestling talent than Goldberg. Any match featuring Goldberg cannot last longer than five minutes after all. If it does, it will be like Goldberg vs Lesnar. "

I'll agree with you to a point on some of those comparisons. Depending on what time in Nash's career we're talking about, I'll agree that he has been better than Goldberg, and considering what time in his career we're talking about Batista, I'll once again conceed that he is better than Goldberg. Sid Vicions....well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad. The point is, Diesel and Batista, two guys I'd at least put on level if not slightly above Goldberg have had great bouts with the Deadman, some of which happened in the twilight of Batista's career when he just didn't have it in him most nights unless he was fighting Taker. Considering Taker's main prerrogative in any match is to make money and make the other guy and himself look good in the process, I doubt he'd let Goldberg drop the ball even if he wanted to.

Goldberg's capable of classic bouts if he's worked with properly, and Taker's the right kind of opponent for him. There would be more sizzle than steak, sure, but it doesn't mean they couldn't put on a really good, hyped up, crowd playing big man battle of titans. I say this to every Goldberg retractor, watch his bout with Hogan on Thunder, his first bout against Hogan, it was PPV worthy.

I'm not saying Goldberg's perfect, I'm not even saying he's a good wrestler, I'm just saying under the right circumstances he can put out a good bout.

If they face each other 10 years ago, you might have been able to call it a classic, but not now. Undertaker is always injured and Bill Goldberg hasn't been in the ring for years.

Well the one thing I would disagree with you on is that Goldberg had no charisma. I mean if he had no charisma then WWE fans would have never chanted "Goldberg! Goldberg! Golberg!" whenever he came out. They obviously cared about him. While Goldberg certainly was way far from being close to the best, the fact that people mostly look at move sets with him and every other wrestler is kind of overrated. I mean if people are going to tell me Goldberg is an overrated wrestler than they might as well tell me Rock is overrated as a wrestler because of his move sets. Goldberg I think is very capable it's just about being able to book him to where you give him more of an incentive to want to put him in a good match. His body is built to have success, WWE creative writers just have to want to go the extra length even if they didn't think Goldberg could do it. I bet he does better this time around because he wants to do his best because his wife and kids are now watching and it could possibly be in his home town of Georgia so there is much more of an incentive. All I keep hearing though is the Rock like Goldberg had only had 3 move sets. I can name a hell of a lot more than that. The Rock did the Spinebuster, DDT, Samoan drop, belly to belly suplex, sharpshooter, swinging neckbreaker, Russian Leg Sweep, Rock Bottom, People's elbow I mean what else would you want out of the Rock. Now back to your question. Would Goldberg be able to put on a good match, we will never for sure and I will give you an example. When Razor Ramon faced HBK in a ladder match at Wresltemania 1994 I thought it was the most overrated wrestlemania match of all time despite the fact that HBK flew off the ladder on top to Razor in that match. Lets bear in mind though that Razor was not even that good of a wrestler, but when they faced each other again at Summerslam the match exceeded my expectations. I never thought it would be better than the one at Wrestlemania, in fact I thought it would be worse and in my opinion it wasn't. So you can never say for sure that a match won't be good even if a wrestler has limited move sets. I didn't have any expectations for that Goldberg and Brock Lesnar match because If you asked most fans there they were more worried about Undertaker vs. Kane and Rock and Sock vs. Evolution and the world title match then they were about Lesnar vs. Goldberg.So quite frankly since the card had those other matches no fan there lost sleep if Goldberg vs. Lesnar wasn't good.

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